- edfinleyMemberApril 30, 2008 at 4:54 pmPost count: 14
is there a tutorial somewhere that lists what belongs in the link data?
Edgrif091MemberApril 30, 2008 at 6:15 pmPost count: 1001
There are documents in the Download section of Support; Of Groups & Links and some device specific documents like EZIOxx Link records; as a starting point.
Another source of information is to link the devices together using the manual Set button procedure and then use the utility to Display the link records hardware established.edfinleyMemberApril 30, 2008 at 7:37 pmPost count: 14
I appreciate your reply. Simplehomenet does a good job of documenting the link commands for their products. where it gets vague is if I want to trigger someone else’s product such as a switchlinc or a PLM attached to an ISY. I can press the buttons and read the link, but it would be nice to find a list of what those numbers do and what what options I have available.
I wish everyone, especially Smarthome, documented what’s available as well as Simplehomenet.
EdpaulnMemberApril 30, 2008 at 8:07 pmPost count: 408
I can pull some stuff together – it is a little scattered / but it is handy for the community to have. Give me a little time on this.GPGMemberMay 1, 2008 at 12:47 amPost count: 47
I am currently working on the analog input being driven by thermometer. With the latest release, the input levels and scaling are working fine. However, I am having trouble getting the alarm points to work. I suspect my problem has to do with the All-Link Group Command and/or the link record that was created when I manually linked the other Insteon device.
Any additional information you could provide on the linking data would be most helpful. If you have an example of an analog alarm point setup, and the values that show up in the utility, that would be great.
George.grif091MemberMay 1, 2008 at 2:51 amPost count: 1001
When you said “manually linked the other device”, did you mean using the Set button technique, or writing the link record in both devices using SHN Utility. If you used the Set button technique, what do you see regarding Insteon command flow when the Input changes state?
If you did the linking by writing the link record using the utility, the group number you used in the link record has to be assigned to the respective Input using the “Insteon All-Links Group Commands Settings”. Assigning the group number to the Input is done automatically using the Set button technique but has to be done manually if setting the link up from scratch using the utility.
I did a Set button link for Input 3 (Analog 1) to a Keypadlinc button 4 to give a point of reference for values assigned by the hardware link process. Values from a Read of Analog 1/Alarm under “Insteon All-Links Group Commands Settings”
Actuate Output – not checked
Ignore On to Off – not checked
Off to On transition CMD1 0x11 CMD2 0
On to Off transition CMD1 0x13 CMD2 0
A display of the link record in the EXIO2X4 established by the Set button process….
Link Record 1 – Controller of Device: 8.49.E7; Group: 3: Data: 1,9,29
A display of the link record in the Keypadlinc established by the Set button process….
Link Record 1 – Responder to Device: 0C.AE.5F; Group 3; Data: FE,1F,4
The EZIO2X4 address is 0C.AE.5F
The Keypadlinc address is 08.49.E7
EDIT: when setting the Alarm trip point values, be sure to use the 1.75 release (or later of course)
As the Input 3 voltage moves across the Analog trip values, the EZIO2X4 sends an Insteon ON or OFF command, turning ON/OFF the LED for button 4 on the Keypadlinc.GPGMemberMay 1, 2008 at 6:14 pmPost count: 47
Thanks for your example.
I also used the set button technique, but used a LL not a KPL.
My “All-Link Group Commands” for Analog 1 are similar:
Actuate Output – CHECKED (your’s was unchecked)
Ignore On to Off – not checked
Off to On transition CMD1: 11 CMD2: 0
On to Off transition CMD1: 13 CMD2: 0
My display of the 2×4 link records indicate one link:
Link Record 1 — Controller of Device 4.9F.DE; Group 3; Data 1,0,28
I am not home right now, so I do not have the link information for the LL. I will get that tonight along with unchecking the Actuate Output box.
It is the data portion of the link record where I am still most unclear. I show 1,0,28 whereas you have 1,9,29. Last year when I was working on linking the EZRain to a KPL, it was explained that the middle data byte could 80 for snapshot, or zones 1-8, or program codes 1-4. I do not have this information for the EZIO2x4. Also I am not sure what bytes 1 and 3 represent.grif091MemberMay 1, 2008 at 7:20 pmPost count: 1001
I don’t think the Actuate Output option is available on the I3/I4 (Analog) Inputs. Pretty sure I have seen a post from Simplehome stating that only I1 and I2 have that feature. I can’t tell you what the 1,2,29 means except it is what you get in the “Controller of” link record when you link a KPL as a Responder. I can’t say it has no affect on the Controller side, looking forward to what Paul posts back, but the Insteon message sequence that is issued for an ON or OFF from the Controller has no room for any of that data.
The data in the “Responder to” link record in the KPL does affect the operation. The 0xFE is the brightness level, full ON in this case, the 0x1F is the ramp rate used to get to the brightness level, and the 4 is the Keypadlinc button number associated with the “Responder of” link record. The 0xFE (bright level) and 0x1F (ramp rate) are applicable to all the Responders I have looked at with dimmable loads (ICON Dimmer, LampLinc, SwitchLinc Dimmer). The button number range 1-8 is unique to the Keypadlinc. Devices like the ICON dimmer, which have only one output, contain a 0x00. The EZIO2X4 Responder link records can have a 0x00 for relay 1 and 0x01 for relay 2. I’ll link up a LampLinc to Input 3, as I did the Keypadlinc and post back my link records. Your reference to the values for an EZRain relate to the fact that the zones are Responders (Outputs) and as such the data in the “Responder of” link record has control over what the device does and is unique to the device type.
After linking a LampLinc as a Responder to EZIO2X4 Input 3 (analog 1)
Link Record 1 – Controller of Device: 8.49.E7; Group: 3; Data: 1,9,29
Link Record 2 – Controller of Device: 4.93.BF; Group: 3; Data: 1,0,28
Link Record 1 – Responder to Device: 0C.AE.5F; Group: 3; Data: FE,1F,0
When Input 3 voltage is moved across the trip points, Keypadlinc button 4 LED turns ON and OFF. The lamp plugged into the LampLinc turns ON and OFF in sync with the Keypadlinc button 4 LED.grif091MemberMay 2, 2008 at 2:27 amPost count: 1001
If you want to link a KPL (or any other Controller) to an EZIO2X4 (Responder) controlling the EZIO2X4 Outputs (like you were using a KPL to control the EZRain Outputs), the download section has the document “EZIOxx Link Records” which describes the content of the data fields in the “Responder to” (Output) link records. Just as it was not necessary to understand the data in the KPL resident “Controller of” link records that were linking the KPL to the EZRain Outputs, it is not necessary to understand the data in the EZIO2X4 resident “Controller of” link records that are linking the EZIO2X4 Inputs to the LampLinc output device.
It seems like the Analog trip point values may not be correct for the range of analog values the analog device is creating. In case you have not discovered the button, in the EZIOxx tab, the Inputs Settings and Monitor tab, in the Input Status area, there is AN 1 button above the Input 1 status display field, which returns the current analog value for Input 3 (analog 1). Checking the AN 1 value against the Analog trip point values may help in determining why the trip values do not cause an Insteon ON/OFF message to be sent.GPGMemberMay 2, 2008 at 12:36 pmPost count: 47
Thanks again for your information and reminding me about the EZIOxx Link document location. There is also a doc there called ‘Of groups and links’ that I found useful.
At this point I think I have a better idea what I am looking for and how to check it out using the utility. I am going to do some more testing and start a new post in the EXIO2x4 section to just deal with why the trip points are not working.
If there is additional information you might have or documentation you could point out, it would be greatly appreciated.
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