- bobMemberJuly 23, 2010 at 3:11 amPost count: 82
I use a Mac and Perceptive Automation Indigo.
I have the EZeye “digital” output connected to #1 binary input of the EZIO6I. If I DO NOT select “Enable analog inputs” in Indigo “Edit Module Settings” then the #1 binary input on the Indigo Binary Inputs display updates automatically.
Then if I also connect the analog output of the EZeye to the #1 analog input of the EZIO6I and have an Indigo Time/Date Action periodically run an action to “Get Analog Inputs Values” the Analog Input on the Indigo Analog Inputs display updates correctly but the previously working Binary Input #1 and the Binary Input #5 (from the “Enable analog inputs” trip points) will not automatically update. I have to run another Time/Date Action to periodically run an action to “Get Binary Inputs Values”.
EZIO6I Firmware is 25.JustinMemberJuly 23, 2010 at 4:40 pmPost count: 146
Thank you for your message.
Let me do some testing with an EZIO6I I have and see if I can duplicate this error. I’ll also run this by our engineers and see if they’ve ever heard of this also, as I really haven’t.
Having read your post on Indigo’s forum…I will make sure the conclusion doesn’t turn out the same.
All I ask is that you give me some time to duplicate the error and if it has been fixed already, I’ll have you send it in for upgrade…as we’re on v28 currently.
Feel free to email me directly at email@example.com.
Justingrif091MemberJuly 23, 2010 at 8:44 pmPost count: 1001
Bob, I set up my EZIO6I with an EZEye on digital Input 1 and Analog 1 (Input 5). Both Inputs report state change when the Enable Analog Inputs option in On and the Analog 1 trip points are set. I am using the UDI ISY device so my test environment is not using the software package you are using.
Are the Inputs linked to the Indigo PLM or are you using the Broadcast Status Chg option to report state changes. Also if using the Broadcast Status Chg option when not using Analog 1 in Analog mode, when the Enable Analog Inputs option is set is the Broadcast Status Chg option also being set.grif091MemberJuly 23, 2010 at 9:34 pmPost count: 1001
Bob, if you do not know whether Indigo is using links or the Broadcast Status Chg option can you post the PLM traffic from the EZIO6I both without and with the Enable Analog Inputs option set. Should be able to tell from the Insteon messages in the trace what options are set.
LeebobMemberJuly 23, 2010 at 10:04 pmPost count: 82
I am using the Broadcast Status Change so I gather I should link the inputs to the PLM?grif091MemberJuly 23, 2010 at 10:14 pmPost count: 1001
I don’t know what Indigo supports regarding using links with Indigo. That configuration does work with the ISY device. Using the Broadcast Status Chg option does raise the possibility that when the Enable Analog Inputs option was set the Broadcast Status Chg option was reset. The full Configuration Register is set when any option is set so it is necessary for Indigo to set all the options that are desired when any one option is changed.
I will set up a test using the Broadcast Status Chg configuration and see if I can reproduce what you are seeing.grif091MemberJuly 24, 2010 at 8:48 amPost count: 1001
I have not been able to establish a test environment for Broadcast Status Chg. Suggest verifying that the Broadcast Status Chg option is in fact set when the Enable Analog Inputs Configuration Register option is set. And try establishing links for Inputs 1 & 5 as I have verified that setup works when the Enable Analog Inputs option is set with active links defined.bobMemberJuly 24, 2010 at 3:49 pmPost count: 82
I tried following the instructions with the EZIO6I to set the links. The EXIO6I follows the instructions but I don’t get the correct response in step 3 for the Insteon device to be controlled (PLM). I’m using a 2413U. Have the instructions changed with the new PLM’s?grif091MemberJuly 24, 2010 at 4:10 pmPost count: 1001
I don’t know but would not be surprised. Smartlabs is constantly evolving the Insteon product line. I am PC based and use software to establish links with PLMs. Perhaps Indigo has that capability as well. Likely Indigo would have to know about the responder links for the software to react to them anyway.grif091MemberJuly 24, 2010 at 8:24 pmPost count: 1001
I was able to set up test bed for Broadcast Status Chg. My EZIO6I sends a Broadcast message for both Input 1 and Input 5 (Analog 1) when the Enable Analog Inputs option is set. I would make sure that when you are setting the Enable Analog Inputs option On you are also turning On the Broadcast Status Chg option as well. Since the entire Configuration Register is written when any option is changed it is necessary to specify all options that are active when turning on the Enable Analog Inputs option. The EZEye digital output connected to Input 1 reacts faster than the EZEye analog output so I get a Status Change message showing Input 1 turning On followed by another Status Change message showing Input 5 (Analog 1) turning On. Same sequence when I cover the EZEye and both EZEye digital and analog outputs turn Off.
from ID:0C.AF.26 flags:83 cmd1:27 cmd2:21
from ID:0C.AF.26 flags:83 cmd1:27 cmd2:31
from ID:0C.AF.26 flags:83 cmd1:27 cmd2:30
from ID:0C.AF.26 flags:83 cmd1:27 cmd2:20
EDIT: in case you are wondering, Input 6 (Analog 2) was floating so it is showing On in all the Broadcast messages.bobMemberJuly 24, 2010 at 10:41 pmPost count: 82
I’ve passed on all your info to Perceptive Automation for their comments. It used to be the standard config was using Broadcast Status Change and using linking to the PLM was done manually but I can’t get it to work. I’ll wait until I hear form Matt.
You mention making config changes using software, is that the Simplehomenet Utiliity? Can I make the changes using this Windows based utility then use the unit on my mac/Indigo?
bobgrif091MemberJuly 24, 2010 at 10:59 pmPost count: 1001
Sure can. You will need something on the PC to interface to the powerline. If you are using a PLM on the Mac and can temporarily move it to the PC you can use it as the powerline interface. The SimpleHomeNet Utility Suite does not make changes to the PLM when using it as a powerline interface. The configuration data in SHN devices is in non-volatile memory so changes made on the PC will be there when used on the Mac. Some changes require saving the changes to make them permanent. Otherwise if unplugged or power goes off the changes will disappear. Configuration data is like the link database, it survives across a power outage. Even if you continue to use Indigo to make configuration changes you can you the SHN Utility to read the various information to confirm what is actually being established both in Configuration data as well as link database information.
Justin gave me a link to your Indigo post. It sounded like you have had some issues in the past with SHN devices. I have many of the SHN devices installed in and around the house, some for many years. If I can help resolve anything regarding the SHN devices do not hesitate to post. I have no way to verify operation under Indigo but generally can exercise the devices in a similar manor under something PC based.
LeebobMemberJuly 25, 2010 at 3:38 amPost count: 82
Previously my major issue was with the EZIO8SA inputs. I would hook up a switch as an input and get an the correct ON/OFF sequences for a few tries then it would miss an ON or OFF. Matt from Perceptive Automation stepped in and got together with Al of Simplehomenet to see what the problem was. It was never fixed. The last email I got from Al was he was getting a Mac to install Indigo to assist in my problem. I never heard from anyone after that. I was furious as the EZIO8SA is not cheap and as it didn’t work for me I sold it at a loss.
Not only was I disappointed the EXIO8SA didn’t work but Simplehomenet have a lot of great devices I could use but I have stayed away until deciding to try the EZeye. Once we get the EZeye/EZIO6I fixed (I’m being optimistic here) I might look at getting another EZIO8SA if you can help me.
Right now I’m waiting to hear from Matt to see what he says about linking the EZIO6I to the 2413U PLM. Back when I had the EZIO8SA problems there was no way to link to the PLM by software. It was all manual – pressing buttons, counting seconds, watching lights flashing etc. Is it correct that linking is more reliable than Broadcast Status Change?
I’m using a USB 2413U PLM. I’ll get Windows installed on my mac & I can switch into Windows XP and try your utility then switch back to OS X/Indigo.
By the way, in Indigo there is an option for “Continuous analog conversion (once per second)” what is that?
thanks for your help!
bob (user name)grif091MemberJuly 25, 2010 at 6:04 amPost count: 1001
I have not seen that behaviour with any of my EZIO2X4s (have 3 installed) or my EZIO8SA. Were you using the Broadcast Status Chg? That is about the least reliable Insteon communication you can use. Not that the SHN family is missing an Input change but the Broadcast command is a single message sent in the blind. That is, it is not sent to any specific device. It is like to old X10 messages. One message goes on the powerline and if the powerline is very good things work fine but usually the powerline is not all that clean and a Broadcast message is lost sometimes. Insteon deals with that with Group command processing by following up a Group Broadcast with Group Cleanup Direct commands to each device in the Group. This command is ACK by the responder and repeated up to three times by the Controller if an ACK is not received. Group protocol is used when there are links between the Controller and the Responder. I never use the Broadcast Status Chg option for that reason. Also why I had some trouble setting that test case up as I don’t use it on a day to day basis. Linking is much more reliable because linking forces the Group command protocol with all the associated ACKs and retries.
The Continuous Analog conversion checks the Analog voltage on the Analog Inputs about once per second. Not needed to have the Analog Input trigger on a change across the Set Point values but can result in more accurate Analog values over time. I was not using the option for the Broadcast Status Chg tests.
I’ll be happy to help in any way I can. Powerline communication is not 100% and never will be. With all the appliances in today’s world keeping the powerline communication clean requires more work and analysis that it did years ago. I had to install Smarthome FilterLincs on the PC/UPS equipment as well as one of my flat screen LCD TVs. I have what I think is good communication but as I said it will never be 100%. I added an Access Point at my plug point for the Insteon equipment around the PC/UPS area. Help with the reliability of the new Extended message. That also helped improve communication with devices that only use RF and I2 Extended commands for linking and configuration such as the Motion Sensor and TriggerLinc.
LeebobMemberJuly 25, 2010 at 6:00 pmPost count: 82
Wow you are working late! Thanks for the info. I was originally using the Broadcast Status Change on the EZIO8SA but then did the linking procedure which made the outputs acceptable but I never got the inputs to work reliably. I have the same problem with the inputs on the EZIO4X2. I was reading the Tips on the Quick-Start Guide for the 2413U and it suggests filters like you mention so I’m going to try one on the UPS that my computer and some other equipment is plugged into.
I’m still waiting to hear from Perceptive Automation on how to link the inputs of the EZIO6I to the PLM.
Can the UDI ISY device be used to change from the Broadcast Status Change config (which is the standard config with Indigo when you use an EZIO device) to set the linking from the EZIO6I to the PLM?
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