Action Condition Definitions? 2009-07-11T19:30:18+00:00

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  • Anonymous
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    Is there anyplace I can find the action condition definitions and uses? Especially 1) interval 2) window and 3) random time. In the definitions it would be nice to know whether to use 1) start time or 2) offset time.

    I have read that the Sunrise to Sunset action and the Sunset to Sunrise action are only for additional actions which may occur during those hours and if one wants to setup lights (etc) to run during those hours they would need an action to turn them on as well as an action to turn them off.

    Anonymous
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    I don’t believe such reference exists at the present time. In Version 1 there were Timers which are obviously “time” based activities. Macros were device “event” based activities that could optionally be gated with a time component. Version 2 has merged Timers and Macros into a single component called Actions but the concept of a “time” based activity and a device “event” based activity still exists. Some of the options make sense for a “time” based activity such as Sunset(+/-) , Sunrise(+/-) and Absolute. Other options, such as SunsetToSunrise, SunriseToSunset and Window make sense as options to time gate a device “event”.

    If you have a question(s) about how to do something specific I’ll be happy to try and work up an example. With multiple Conditions which can be Anded and Ored together along with multiple Effects on a single Action, Version 2 Actions offers capability well beyond Version 1 Timers and Macros.

    Anonymous
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    Just an example of what they can do. Especially 1) interval 2) window and 3) random time. One might assume interval is repeated every XX often (XX setup under offset time), but does window function just during certain times and how are they defined? Another assumption is that random time might be setup as 1 of 2… ie turning a bedroom light on and off but only during certain hours…. but again is this correct and if so could you be a little more specific as to how to set it up.

    Anonymous
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    I’ll try to put some examples together however some clarification is needed. In the bedroom case are looking to cause the bedroom lights to turn On and Off at certain times, or only allow them to turn On and Off at certain times. It is the difference between a “time” based event to turn lights On and Off at a specific time or a device based “event” that is allowed to happen only at certain times.

    Anonymous
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    This is an example of Action Window. An X10 G02 On that happens between 17:45 and 17:55 will cause an ICON Switch to turn On and then Off 1 minute later. There are limits to the number of images that can be in a single post. Other examples will come in another post.

    [attachment=1:b4949ffr]ActtionWindow.JPG[/attachment:b4949ffr]

    [attachment=0:b4949ffr]ActionWindowCondition.JPG[/attachment:b4949ffr]

    Anonymous
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    This is an example of Action Interval, starting at 21:00:00 and reoccurring every 10 minutes, an ICON Switch is turned ON, followed 20 seconds later with an Effect that turns the ICON Switch OFF.

    [attachment=1:mr9ebw3p]ActionInterval.JPG[/attachment:mr9ebw3p]

    [attachment=0:mr9ebw3p]ActionIntervalCondition.JPG[/attachment:mr9ebw3p]

    Anonymous
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    Grif,

    Thanks for the examples. Both really clarify of what they are capable. Looking forward to seeing how random functions.

    Anonymous
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    Could you please show or tell me how “randon” functions?

    Anonymous
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    Sorry for the delay in getting back to this. There have been other issues that had to be resolved first. I don’t yet know how Random works. Now that 02.03 is available I’ll get back to this question.

    Anonymous
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    Saving an Action at 17:00 with a Condition 1 of “Random Time =”, specifying a random interval of 15 minutes resulted in the Action being triggered at…

    17:03:56
    17:16:56
    17:19:56
    17:42:56
    17:50:56
    18:03:56
    18:06:56
    18:29:56
    18:42:56

    Triggering an Action with “Random Time” by itself does not make much sense from a logical view point but it demonstrates what the option does. I think it makes more sense to combine (AND) two Conditions together to form a “Random” activity within a specific time period. Defining Condition 1 with a “Window”, say from 19:00 through 21:00, ANDing the “Window” Condition with a “Random Time” Condition 2 would create a random pattern of light activity during the period from 19:00-21:00.

    Anonymous
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    Does the limit of just 5 conditions and each having 5 offset actions really limit the number of timers available? I used to have more than 5 and now I am wondering what to do. Even with the offsets, I may had been more than what I can program. Will more be added in the future?

    Anonymous
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    You can define as many Actions as you need. V2 supports up to 5 individual Conditions that can be Ored and Anded together to control when and if a particular Action is triggered and then 5 (6 if using the Beta Harmony client) Effects that occur when the Action is triggered.

    Anonymous
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    So, for each action are each conditions unique? When I create a new action, I see the old action text in that dialog, so is my assumption that the conditions are global to all defined actions? In other words, are the following global limits true:

    Number of Actions = Size of memory
    Number of Conditions = 5
    Number of Effects per action = 5 or 6 if using Harmony

    Anonymous
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    The Conditions and Effects apply to a specific Action only. There are no global conditions or effects. The HTML interface may carry over the input field values into the next Action definition but those values can be altered before the next Action is saved. There is no fixed limit on the number of Actions. With multiple Effects per Action the number of Action definitions needed may be less in V2 compared to V1. The number of Conditions and Effects per Action is 5 with HTML, 6 with Harmony client.

    The underlying Action logic is the same whether the Action is defined through the HTML interface, Harmony client or XML API. Screen space is the limiting factor when using the HTML interface.

    Anonymous
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    Trying again to get some info on how to:

    In room #1 I would like a light to come on 1 time between 20:00 and 23:00 for 30 minutes. How do I set this up?

    I want to do the same thing, but only on vacation days. How do I set this up?

    Thanks,

    Murray

    ps… I have been using window with 20:00 and offset at 3:00, but lights work at 20:00 on the days programmed.

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